Dem Rep. explains why she’s undecided on impeaching Trump


WHY ARE YOU STILL AT LEAST PUBLICLY UP IN THE AIR ABOUT HOW YOU’LL VOTE?>>THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS THING I PROBABLY EVER VOTE ON. I’LL TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. I’M GOING TO DO WHAT I WAS TRAINED TO DO AS A C.I.A. OFFICER. NOT TO LISTEN TO THE NEWS AND PEOPLE YELLING AND SCREAMING, MY COLLEAGUES GOING BACK AND FORTH. WHAT I’LL DO IS TAKE THE WEEKEND, I’LL PUT THE FULL BODY OF INFORMATION TOGETHER AND I’LL MAKE AN OBJECTIVE DECISION BASED ON THE INFORMATION. I WON’T BE PUSHED AND PRODDED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AND I’M NOT GOING TO BE JAMMED TO MAKE A DECISION WHEN I HAVEN’T HAD TIME TO REALLY THINK.>>Bill: THERE HAS BEEN SOME TIME OVER THIS SO FAR IN THESE HEARINGS HAVE GONE ON FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS NOW. JUST SO OUR VIEWERS KNOW YOUR DISTRICT, MICHIGAN NUMBER 8 COVERS LANSING, RUNS DOWN TO DETROIT TO THE SOUTH.>>ROCHESTER HILLS AND THE SUBURBS OF DETROIT.>>YOU WON THE DISTRICT BY 3%. DONALD TRUMP WON IT BY 7. HOW ARE THE PEOPLE BACK HOME THINKING?>>THEY’RE ENGAGED. THE PHONES ARE RINGING OFF THE HOOK. WE HAD TO INSTALL A THIRD PHONE LINE YESTERDAY IN THE OFFICE BECAUSE WE COULDN’T KEEP UP WITH THE PACE. THAT’S IN MICHIGAN AND IN D.C. WE HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE CONSTANTLY ON THE PHONES. PEOPLE HAVE THE FULL RANGE OF OPINIONS. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY MUCH AGAINST IT. PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY MUCH FOR IT. PEOPLE WHO KIND OF WANT TO ADD THEIR VIEWS TO THE CONVERSATION. WE TOOK MY STAFF GOT TOGETHER A LIST OF THE TOP 10 OR 15 THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT. THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS I WANT TO ADDRESS. I HAVE A REALLY BIG TOWN HALL OR COMMUNITY MEETING ON MONDAY IN MY DISTRICT AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT.>>Bill: IF YOU VOTE YES WITH YOUR OTHER DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES IS YOUR HOUSE SEAT LOST IN 2020?>>THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THIS. AS SOON AS I CAME OUT IN SUPPORT OF AN INQUIRY THERE WERE PEOPLE SAYING THAT’S THE END OF YOUR POLITICAL CAREER. I JUST HAVE TO SAY MAYBE IT’S BECAUSE I’M A FORMER C.I.A. OFFICER, I DID THREE TOURS IN IRAQ. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO MAKE CALLS THAT AREN’T BASED ON A POLL OR ON SOME POLITICAL CONSULTANT. IF THIS IS THE END OF MY POLITICAL CAREER AT LEAST I’M DOING WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT AND BASING MY DECISION ON INTEGRITY. THAT’S THE MOST I CAN DO.>>Bill: THE LAST ANSWER SOUNDS LIKE A NO. IS THAT WHERE YOU ARE?>>NO, I LITERALLY HAVE NOT MADE UP MY MIND. FOR ME WE’VE HAD 400 PAGE REPORTS COME OUT. WE HAVE HAD A TON OF STUFF COME FORWARD. I ALSO WANTED TO FRANKLY LOOK BACK ON THE HISTORY. WHAT DID THE DOCUMENTS LOOK LIKE FOR NIXON AND CLINTON AND LOOK LIKE IN THE PAST WHEN WE’VE DONE THIS TO PUT IT INTO CONTEXT? THAT’S WHAT I WAS TRAINED TO DO AS AN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER. I WILL DO THAT.>>HOW MUCH DO YOU REMEMBER FROM 1998 AND BILL CLINTON.>>NOT MUCH. IT WENT ON FOR A LONG TIME AND DRIBS AND DRABS IN THE MEDIA. I THINK POLITICS PLAYED A BIG ROLE IN THAT IMPEACHMENT. IT PLAYS A ROLE IN EVERYTHING.>>Bill: REPUBLICANS HAD DEMOCRATS VOTE WITH THEM. SO FAR DEMOCRATS HAVE ZERO REPUBLICANS SUPPORTING THEM. HOW MUCH DOES THAT CONCERN YOU?>>I DON’T LIKE IT. I COME FROM A DISTRICT THAT’S FRANKLY LEANS REPUBLICAN. SO BIPARTISANSHIP IS SOMETHING THAT I REALLY BELIEVE IN ESPECIALLY AGAIN AS SOMEONE WHO SERVED YOU REALLY GROW UP NOT THINKING IN A PARTISAN FASHION AND THAT’S BETTER. BUT AGAIN I CAN’T MAKE A DECISION JUST BASED ON THE POLITICAL SIDE OF THIS. I REALLY HAVE TO GO WITH MY GUT.>>Bill: YOU AS A PARTY, NANCY PELOSI, CAN AFFORD TO LOSE 17 VOTES. DO YOU THINK YOU ARE CLOSE TO THAT?>>I REALLY DON’T KNOW. THERE ARE A FEW FOLKS WHO HAVE COME OUT AND SAID THEY AREN’T VOTING FOR IT. A FEW DEMOCRATS AREN’T VOTING FOR IT. AT LEAST TWO. THERE IS A LOT OF TEXTING AND CONVERSATIONS GOING ON AMONG MEMBERS.>>Bill: ARE YOU HAVING THOSE DIRECTLY WITH MEMBERS ARE YOU HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS?>>YES. I WAS ON THE HOUSE FLOOR THE OTHER DAY. A REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUE WHO I WORK WITH ALL THE TIME CAME UP TO ME AND WANTED TO TALK THROUGH HIS LOGIC AND WANTED TO HEAR MY LOGIC. I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF US WHO THINK IS THE PROBABLY THE MOST SERIOUS VOTE WE’LL EVER TAKE IN THIS TERM SHORT OF THE DECLARATION OF WAR, THIS IS THE BIGGEST THING WE’LL BE VOTING ON. THERE IS A GROUP OF US WHO ARE REALLY TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL. IT DOESN’T SEEM THAT WAY FROM WHAT THE MEDIA COVERS. THE LOUDEST PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. BUT FOR ME THIS IS DEADLY SERIOUS.>>Bill: JERRY NADLER WILL BE UP IN A MOMENT AND WE’LL BRING HIM UP WHEN WE GET TO HIM. THE PRESIDENT WILL RECEIVE THE PRESIDENT OF PARAGUAY NEXT HOUR. BACK TO OUR CONVERSATION. THE ARGUMENTS HAVEN’T CHANGED. WE SAT HERE FOR 15 HOURS YESTERDAY AND WATCHED THESE HEARINGS. REPUBLICANS MADE THEIR POINT AT 9:00 A.M. AND DEMOCRATS MADE THEIRS AT 9:30 AND STILL ARGUING ABOUT THE SAME THING AT MIDNIGHT. WHAT DOES IT DO FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? YOU READ THE TRANSCRIPT. C.I.A. ANALYST. THIS WAS YOUR CAREER PRIOR TO COMING TO CONGRESS. MANY WOULD SAY THE PUNISHMENT DOES NOT FIT THE ACCUSATION OF IMPEACHMENT IF YOU READ THAT TRANSCRIPT. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?>>FOR ME THE TRANSCRIPT WAS PART OF THE SEASON I CAME OUT WITH SIX OF MY COLLEAGUES ALL WITH NATIONAL SECURITY BACKGROUND. WE WROTE AN OP-ED SAYING WE THOUGHT IT WARRANTED AN INQUIRY, RIGHT? WE WANTED FURTHER INVESTIGATION. FRANKLY I WORKED IN THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE AND IN THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE. I KNOW WHAT IT’S LIKE TO WORK ON THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL AND BE IN THE PHONE CALLS. FOR ME IT’S ACTUALLY A VERY NORMAL ORDER OF BUSINESS TO HAVE THE PRESIDENT OR SENIOR PEOPLE FROM THE UNITED STATES ASKING FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS TO DO THINGS, TO SAY HEY, WE REALLY NEED YOU TO DO X, Y, Z, THE PROBLEM I HAD WHAT I READ FROM THAT TRANSCRIPT WAS AT LEAST THE INCLINATION THAT THE PRESIDENT WASN’T LOOKING JUST TO HAVE A TRADE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES. BUT FOR HIMSELF FOR PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN.>>Bill: WOULD YOU CONCEDE THAT CONVERSATION IN PART ALSO DEALT WITH WHAT THE U.S. WENT THROUGH IN THE ELECTION OF 2016 AND HE WAS TRYING TO DRAFT SUPPORT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED, WHETHER IT WAS UKRAINE, RUSSIA, OR WHEREVER THE ACCUSATIONS WAS?>>I CAN’T SPEAK TO HIS INTENT. WE KNOW FROM LOTS OF FOLKS HE WAS INTERESTED IN A FEW THINGS OUT OF THAT CALL. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I KNOW THIS IDEA THAT THE UKRAINIANS WERE THE ONES WHO MEDDLED IN OUR ELECTION AS A CONSPIRACY THEORY PROPAGATED BY RUSSIA. THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY HAS BRIEFED US.>>Bill: LET ME GET TO CHAIRMAN NADLER BACK ON THE HILL.>>CENTURY AND AND A HALF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HAS VOTED ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT AGAINST THE PRESIDENT. FOR ABUSE OF POWER AND OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS. THE HOUSE WILL ACT EXPEDITIOUSLY. THANK YOU.>>Bill: BACK TO THE CONGRESSWOMAN HERE IN NEW YORK. REPUBLICANS ALLEGE THE HEARINGS HAVE NOT BEEN FAIR. THINK THEY HAVE A CASE?>>LISTEN, THERE WERE REPUBLICANS IN EVERY SINGLE HEARING BOTH THE ONES THAT WERE DONE FIRST THAT WERE CLASSIFIED AND THE ONES THAT CAME PUBLIC. THEY HAD JUST AS MUCH TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS. THEY HAD THEIR ATTORNEYS. THEY HAD JUST AS MUCH OF A RIGHT TO ENGAGE IN THAT PROCESS AS ANYBODY ELSE. I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A FOCUS ON THE PROCESS RATHER THAN THE SUBSTANCE. I’M A SUBSTANCE PERSON. I THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN A MIGRATING SET OF TALKING POINTS THEY’VE HAD ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR ME. THAT’S WHY I WANT TO SIT WITH THE SUBSTANCE. THAT’S WHAT MATTERS.>>Bill: YOU HAVE ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF BEFORE THE CHRISTMAS BREAK. WHEN DO YOU MAKE A CALL AND DECIDE?>>I WILL MAKE THE CALL BEFORE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON MONDAY. FOR ME THAT — I UNDERSTAND WE COULD HAVE A VOTE. I DON’T KNOW, AS SOON AS TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY. OBVIOUSLY I HAVE TO MAKE MY DECISION. FOR ME I DON’T HAVE ANYTHING PLANNED PARTICULARLY ON SUNDAY I WILL SIT AND REFLECT.>>Bill: WITH WHOM WILL YOU SPEAK?>>MY HUSBAND WILL BE WITH ME. I HAVE MY TEAM BUT ALSO WE’VE BEEN HEARING CONSTANTLY FROM CONSTITUENTS. THE LIST I TOLD YOU ABOUT OF THE TOP 10 OR 15 THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN RAISING I WANT TO BE ABLE TO KNOW I CAN ADDRESS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE THINGS.>>Bill: REPRESENTATIVE SLOTKIN. FIRST TERMER, WON IN A TRUMP DISTRICT. GOOD LUCK TO YOU.>>Julie: WE’LL GO LIVE TO CAPITOL HILL FOR MORE ON THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE’S HISTORIC IMPEACHMENT VOTE. WE’LL GO TO CHAD PERGRAM UP ON CAPITOL HILL WITH THE ROAD NEXT.

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